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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    Can't defend the position
    Can't defend not banning a tool?

    There is not one argument for banning tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cofc View Post
    Can't defend not banning a tool?

    There is not one argument for banning tools.
    You are one tool that I'd ban.
    I'm glad I'm not judgemental like all you smug, superficial idiots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    You are one tool that I'd ban.
    I am shocked that a leftist/fascist/totalitarian supports banning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cofc View Post
    I am shocked that a leftist/fascist/totalitarian supports banning.
    So you know you're a tool then. Good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    So you know I'm a tool then.
    Of course, you are a silly little girl.

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    Where did I attack you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Where did I attack you?
    Trying to disqualify my opinion. I can see the bruises!
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    To be fair, you were never qualified, I was just being nice and saying it's because you aren't American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    To be fair, you were never qualified, I was just being nice and saying it's because you aren't American.
    So, what's your excuse then?
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    How many people were killed in this shooting Rok?
    I'm a citizen of the U.S., that's all the qualification I actually need
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    How many people were killed in this shooting Rok?
    I'm a citizen of the U.S., that's all the qualification I actually need
    Don't know. None when I first read it. Why?
    No, basic intelligence is needed, so, sorry, you fail......
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    9. Nine people were killed Rok. Yet it isn't news worthy.
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    Just 9 americans who cares about them? Your troops kill more civilians around the world, than people die from homicides in your country!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cofc View Post
    Rights do not exist.
    This is a line of thinking borrowed directly from George Carlin (who was a salty leftist to end all salty leftists)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurk View Post
    This is a line of thinking borrowed directly from George Carlin (who was a salty leftist to end all salty leftists)

    The one who liked seeing people die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurk View Post
    This is a line of thinking borrowed directly from George Carlin (who was a salty leftist to end all salty leftists)


    Carlin argued that there are rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    Just 9 americans who cares about them? Your troops kill more civilians around the world, than people die from homicides in your country!

    Not the point, we hear the tune you sing in every thread, it has no place in this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurk View Post
    This is a line of thinking borrowed directly from George Carlin (who was a salty leftist to end all salty leftists)
    Quote Originally Posted by George Carlin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    I am an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    I don't kapish your "fix" so if you wanna talk about it, you're gonna have to 'splain it to me .
    I made the assumption that you think no one should own a gun *with the exception of military or law enforcement*, which would be centralization not a ban. I am against letting my government be the only one with a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    Not the point, we hear the tune you sing in every thread, it has no place in this one.
    You have almost daily homicides in the US if I'm not mistaken, why are you concerned on one of them that much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I made the assumption that you think no one should own a gun *with the exception of military or law enforcement*, which would be centralization not a ban. I am against letting my government be the only one with a gun.
    You own guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I made the assumption that you think no one should own a gun *with the exception of military or law enforcement*, which would be centralization not a ban. I am against letting my government be the only one with a gun.
    That's what I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    9. Nine people were killed Rok. Yet it isn't news worthy.
    Which attack are we talking about then? I saw the 9 wounded one.

    Oh, its far more than daily. Daily would be hundreds. Its thousands. Tens of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokchick View Post
    Oh, its far more than daily. Daily would be hundreds. Its thousands. Tens of.
    So everywhere people like to mass kill each other, it is not just ISIS?

    The difference is individuals and groups!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summer View Post
    You own guns?
    I don't. I have family that do, and I do go shooting every now and then. Why do you ask?

    Quote Originally Posted by Foley View Post
    That's what I believe.
    What do you believe? That only the government should have guns? If so, why?
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    Because the government only has the citizens best interest in mind. Bahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I made the assumption that you think no one should own a gun *with the exception of military or law enforcement*, which would be centralization not a ban. I am against letting my government be the only one with a gun.
    Well law enforcement in this country has shown that it is also not capable of controlling itself with firearms. Generally speaking. Obviously there will be segments that are and segments that aren't. But no, if people don't have guns, cops don't need them either.

    The question of what to do if I don't get to assume that the ban in guns is effective is another question. If there is a ban on guns that is often violated, then I'm probably willing to allow at least some police to also have guns.

    But when it comes to the military, I'm confused. They're the only ones allowed to have fighter jets, tanks, nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines, and aircraft carriers. They're the only ones allowed to have artillery batteries, helicopter-mounted machine guns, and cruise missiles. There is a massive set of things that I presume YOU would say only the military can have.

    What is the added harm of adding handguns to that list? Bottom line is that if the military wants to violate your rights, a handheld weapons is going to be 0% effective in defense.

    Unless you're saying that the military shouldn't have a monopoly on any of that...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Well law enforcement in this country has shown that it is also not capable of controlling itself with firearms. Generally speaking. Obviously there will be segments that are and segments that aren't. But no, if people don't have guns, cops don't need them either.

    The question of what to do if I don't get to assume that the ban in guns is effective is another question. If there is a ban on guns that is often violated, then I'm probably willing to allow at least some police to also have guns.

    But when it comes to the military, I'm confused. They're the only ones allowed to have fighter jets, tanks, nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines, and aircraft carriers. They're the only ones allowed to have artillery batteries, helicopter-mounted machine guns, and cruise missiles. There is a massive set of things that I presume YOU would say only the military can have.

    What is the added harm of adding handguns to that list? Bottom line is that if the military wants to violate your rights, a handheld weapons is going to be 0% effective in defense.

    Unless you're saying that the military shouldn't have a monopoly on any of that...?
    I think that any person who has the training to use a weapon should be allowed to carry it, in case they need to use it: be it police, be it a member of our military, or be it the young woman who lives alone and wants to protect herself and her property.

    The reason I asked you is because I don't understand the logic of saying some people are capable of handling deadly weapons but others are not, based solely on their status of power.
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    A bazooka in every house. Trump 2020
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    A bazooka in every house. Trump 2020
    I think limiting things that can be that destructive like that into purely military hands is reasonable, but I don't think it's reasonable to only allow handguns to be in the arms of the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    A bazooka in every house. Trump 2020
    MIM-104 Patriot in the backyard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I don't. I have family that do, and I do go shooting every now and then. Why do you ask?
    Was there ever a time when you were in a situation that it would be necessary to pull a gun on someone? to shoot someone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summer View Post
    Was there ever a time when you were in a situation that it would be necessary to pull a gun on someone? to shoot someone?
    Every April 15th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cofc View Post
    Every April 15th.
    I thought it was every friday the 13th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by н-υ-п-т-ε-я View Post
    I thought it was every friday the 13th.

    He's refering to tax day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summer View Post
    He's refering to tax day.
    my joke is dead now!

    It is not necessarily April the 15th
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    I think that any person who has the training to use a weapon should be allowed to carry it, in case they need to use it: be it police, be it a member of our military, or be it the young woman who lives alone and wants to protect herself and her property.
    TBH, this is a very convincing point in favor of guns being legal. They're a great equalizer, in that big strong man can't take advantage of smaller, weaker woman if smaller, weaker woman has a weapon so potent that he dare not.

    As a defense against ****/murder, guns have the most plausible claim to legality, in my opinion. This, I grant you.

    But not as a defense against thievery. The penalty for stealing is not bodily harm, and whether or not you are armed, the ethical thing to do while being robbed is to live through it, then seek justice.

    And the reason I think guns should be banned even despite this admittedly good point, Luissss, is that legitimate uses of guns (ie. a woman stopping herself from being raped by used of a gun, or a person stopping a murder by use of a gun) pale in comparison to improper uses. More rapes happen at gunpoint than are stopped at gunpoint. Furthermore, like with any weapon, you've got to have it handy and under control, and not allow it into the hands of your assailant. Successful, legitimate use of defensive firearms is, as a result, exceedingly rare. Most people who are raped are raped by someone they know, not someone random as they walk down a street. Rapes occur most frequently in intimate settings where your gun isn't likely to be handy.

    The bottom line is that I admit that some number of legitimate uses of defensive firearms would not occur if firearms were successfully banned, but this pales by comparison to the number of crimes that would be prevented by a successful ban on firearms.
    Quote Originally Posted by Luisss View Post
    The reason I asked you is because I don't understand the logic of saying some people are capable of handling deadly weapons but others are not, based solely on their status of power.
    Well for one thing, it isn't "based on status of power." It's based on a balance of need and effect. Law enforcement in this country has a terrible history of abuse, so given a successful ban of guns (in order to prevent crime), law enforcement would also not be allowed to have them (also in order to prevent crime, in this case crimes where officers discharge their weapons at unarmed civilians).

    But does the same argument go for the military? What crimes would I be preventing by banning the military from having guns? That would be a weird position for me to take.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    The penalty for stealing is not bodily harm, and whether or not you are armed, the ethical thing to do while being robbed is to live through it, then seek justice.
    Leftists actually belive this?

    And you also conflated theft with robbery, which is common for children level intelligence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summer View Post
    Was there ever a time when you were in a situation that it would be necessary to pull a gun on someone? to shoot someone?
    Yes.
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