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[7:32 AM] Jason (Al Bundy raidslave): Who the **** loses an arti to 18 phalanx
[7:32 AM] Old Timer US1: The same faction that loses one to 66 legos
Last edited by odinloki; 03-12-2017 at 02:49 PM.
As for DA, he had used that hammer on TS (now TSA), whom I talk with. You fail to see the full scope of my resources.
He's made his proverbial bed here. No amount of BTDT posters claiming that he didn't do this or that are going to salvage his reputation.
Edit: I posted this in one of our skype chats a little bit ago to clarify this with someone else who was concerned about the ethics wrt the Doggo chiefing:
Android approached me and wanted to chief Doggo. I was already considering it, and when we're both of one mind on something like that it means we should do it... so we did it. I never once talked with Tik Tok or anyone in GONE about it (Had no idea Tik ever sat Doggo), so if (and I stress "if") Tik intentionally set up the hammer to be chiefed, it does not reflect poorly on BTDT in any way. I don't believe he did though, because like I said, he did not know the target and that cap was stuffed.
Last edited by SupremeAdmiral; 03-12-2017 at 07:44 PM.
Maybe you're right and it's just highly coincidental. I have no idea to be honest. A message saying that there was nothing shady going on isn't proof of nothing shady going on.
I don't have much history in speaking to you, but based on the posts I've seen from you around here you seem to be a man of your word, but you can hopefully understand the position that we're in based on the events that have transpired over the last several days.
I'm glad you consider me a man of my word. I have yet to lie on the forums and do not intend to. The only fault I have is razzing LuLu... but c'mon... it's so fun I can't resist.
While i don't know if there is any way of verifying whether or not Tik Tok abused the responsibilities of being a sitter, I do believe SupremeAdmiral when he says that he and Android planned that chiefing without assistance from Tik Tok.
And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
- The Ballad of Sacco and Vanzetti, Joan Baez
I understand that spies and the like are part of the game, although it's a part of the game that I don't personally agree with. This sort of deceit goes well beyond that scope. I personally think it's a complete revelation of LB's lack of character. This wasn't an issue where some player had a disagreement over a 15c and got mad and sent his troops on a suicide mission. This was a guy that intentionally and deliberately joined an alliance and lied his way up to a position of leadership with no intention of doing anything other than seeing how much damage he could cause, meanwhile posting here non-stop about how terrible GONE leadership and their players were.
It's just morally bankrupt and unethical. It crosses so many lines of trust. If people want to know why we're on a server with around 200 players and people keep leaving the game, take a good look at LB and his actions this round. And this guy is a forum ambassador? This is seriously the face that Travian wants to push as a model player for new players and the community as a whole. A dishonest guy that will weasel his way into alliances only to stab them in the back and attack the same players that offered him protection and a parking garage the entire round. Classy.
He TOLD you all what he was going to do if things continued..
Were his actions harsh...yes.. But you guys were forewarned..
Am I a bad person for having a good laugh at this all...meh.. This is a matter of opinion and I personally don't care, LB did what he did, not me..
I would never intentionally sign up to play a round with a dishonest person like that.
Any members of GONE leadership would tell you that I am very vocal about honesty.
So based on that, either he had no desire to really do anything to BTDT because he was working behind the scenes with them or he's a terrible OC.
Or we would be hesitant to give him access to our getter.
I don't have access to our getter, you know why? Because I don't arrange ops. Why do you have someone in getter that does not arrange ops?!
Man you say all we do is talk about how bad GONE leadership is, but c'mon!!!! You guys have to take some responsibility. More than I do for example.
I would like to hear more about no_no and tiktok situation however.
Last edited by Pile of Pandas; 03-12-2017 at 09:11 PM.
I can't say with certainty what Tik's intentions were when he first joined. I am not him, nor did I know him at that point. All I can say is that based off of what I have heard from multiple sources he was not originally intending on any of this, but was driven to it by LuLu. Take from that what you will.
That's why I called him a sociopath. They always have an excuse or feel no remorse for what they've done. It's always somebody else's fault. They typically tend to have manipulating tendencies which is how he was able to weasel his way into leadership. Luckily for me, I had LB pegged as a manipulating sociopath early in my time in the forum, so his attempts to sway me into his fold were unsuccessful.
Obviously I am pretty worked up about this and keep bringing it up. It makes me mad for you, even if you do not seem as upset about it and wish to direct your anger at the person that took advantage, or the people that say it serves them right.
If this player truly does not know 2-3 people they can trust, and this player has been around for years, why are they leading?
I didn't know any of these guys at all. I just picked a quad and went at it. I joined after all of the drama with quillion (sp?) and didn't hear about it till a while after.
The very first thing I ever heard about TikTok was when I did some investigating into the no_no situation, and that didn't give me a very good first impression of the guy. I've developed pretty good relationships with redemption and nich and I'd like to think that I've earned their respect in this game that I'd like to carry into future rounds.
Are there things that I probably would have handled differently? Absolutely. But I don't think it's fair or rational for me to blame my leadership for letting the fox into the hen-house. They both feel terrible about what went down but I would just prefer that we focus our energy into looking forward and not backwards.
That's not to say that I'm not upset or angry at all about what happened. I believe my exact words when I found out is "Oh %$&@*$ great...we had Julian F'ng Assange as our offensive coordinator."
You guys keep making the assumption that LB did not act with deception to work his way into being a trusted member of the group. As if they just put a bunch of account names on a board, threw a dart and decided said account would be the one to do this or that.