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    Default Setup Advice Thread

    If you're not sure whether your round is balanced, ask for advice on fixing it here.

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    I sighted my .308 with 165 grain FMJ round, but will be using a lighter (120 grain) ballistic round to shoot deer. What difference in trajectory am I likely to see at 300 yards.
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    It's what I would do if I didn't have to keep mine exactly how it is for madsquirrels and erazer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    I sighted my .308 with 165 grain FMJ round, but will be using a lighter (120 grain) ballistic round to shoot deer. What difference in trajectory am I likely to see at 300 yards.
    I recommend using a fully automatic weapon. Use quantity of shots to make up for any lack of quality.

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    Default One-Shot Mafia

    In this round everyone is a Jack of all trades variant, so every role except the Mafia kill is one-shot. Not every role would be used in a round.

    Roles:

    Town:
    Detective - investigate, exact role investigate
    Private Investigator - watch, track
    Police Officer - investigate, jailkeep
    Doctor - protect (x2)
    Paramedic - protect, jailkeep
    Bodyguard - normal, elite
    Vigilante - kill
    Roleblocker - roleblock, jailkeep
    Doublevoter - extra vote, negative vote (both show up in KP)

    Mafia:
    Godfather - sends kill (multi-use, transfers to another mafia when killed), shows as innocent (multi-use)
    Enforcer - protection immune kill, bodyguard immune kill, jailkeep immune kill
    Assassin - janitor, poison
    Roleblocker - roleblock, jailkeep
    Corrupt Cop - exact role investigate, jailkeep

    Independent:
    Serial Killer - bulletproof, protection immune kill, bodyguard immune kill, jailkeep immune kill, normal kill (x3)

    Any advice on number of mafia/roles which shouldn't be used/roles which could be added?
    Last edited by Mouse-Keyboard; 11-12-2016 at 06:16 PM. Reason: changed detective, added corrupt cop

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    Town has two investigators ... That gives them the advantage if you ask me ..

    3 jail keepers ... man this round is crazy :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Town has two investigators ... That gives them the advantage if you ask me ..
    However, they are limited in the number of uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    I recommend using a fully automatic weapon. Use quantity of shots to make up for any lack of quality.
    If you don't know the answer to the question about my round, why did you tell me to ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Blazin1 View Post
    If you don't know the answer to the question about my round, why did you tell me to ask?
    You should probably just shoot at a target 300 yards away, then adjust the sight accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    3 jail keepers ... man this round is crazy :P
    If a round lasts 4 or 5 nights, there will probably be fewer jailkeepings than with a single regular jailkeeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    You should probably just shoot at a target 300 yards away, then adjust the sight accordingly.
    See, I knew you had some decent advice but the answer was 2 inches low compared to 4. I know this because I went to the range lol.
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    Angels

    Seraphim: Can choose to kill or protect per night.
    Cherubim: Investigator
    Thrones: Doctor
    Dominion: Roleblock
    God: Can revive one player back to life per game but after that he is useless(the usual bystander)
    Angel: No special role ... Can shout praises to God if they want

    Demons

    Satan: Can steal another players role for one night or can track a person . Cannot be investigated, if investigated, the investigator dies and Satan cannot use his roles for that night (role steal and 1 track per night)
    Beelzebub: Confirmed kill every alternate KP. Cannot be stopped by doctor or roleblockerr.
    Leviathan: Will be given a target to lynch and Leviathan must guess who the target is and he can lynch and tie breaker. After than he is just a goon.
    Demon Grunt:No special role. Eats sulphur for breakfast

    Independant

    Flying Spaghetti Monster( Serial killer )
    : Not aligned with both sides and just wants to watch everyone burn... Confirmed kill every night ... Win condition: He must be the last one standing

    This is what I plan on doing soon ... Tell me if there is any power imbalance
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    If you have ten players, would there be one of each role except angel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    If you have ten players, would there be one of each role except angel?
    It'll depend upon my mood :P ... I might not use every role ... But that'll happen only if you guys decide this setup is balanced ... Let me add a goon for mafia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    It'll depend upon my mood :P ... I might not use every role ... But that'll happen only if you guys decide this setup is balanced ... Let me add a goon for mafia
    4/10 mafia is hugely unbalanced. They could win on night 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    4/10 mafia is hugely unbalanced. They could win on night 1.
    So Mafia is where I have to work on or should I give town some fancy roles ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    So Mafia is where I have to work on or should I give town some fancy roles ?
    You need fewer Mafia.

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    How about now? I removed Asmodeus
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    Beelzebub makes the doctor largely redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Beelzebub makes the doctor largely redundant.
    Beelzebub has no way of knowing who the Doctor protected so I think that role is fine... And that role hasnt been used here in a while so I wanted to try it ... To compensate Beelzebub power Seraphim has a choice whether to kill or to protect ... This might prolong the game spicing up the drama and putting forward better analysis ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Beelzebub has no way of knowing who the Doctor protected so I think that role is fine... And that role hasnt been used here in a while so I wanted to try it ... To compensate Beelzebub power Seraphim has a choice whether to kill or to protect ... This might prolong the game spicing up the drama and putting forward better analysis ...
    Why would the mafia ever send anyone else? That's what makes the doctor useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valynor View Post
    Why would the mafia ever send anyone else? That's what makes the doctor useless.
    Town has other ways to kill Beelzebub ... He can be investigated ... He can be killed by Seraphim and FSG ... God can bring a town back per game ... Wouldn't you say the odds are equal? Or am I just imagining it ...
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    Strongmen are best with 'every other night' conditions or as a x-shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonothan Crane
    Patients suffering delusional episodes often focus their paranoia on an external tormentor. Usually one conforming to Jungian archetypes. In this case, a scarecrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    Strongmen are best with 'every other night' conditions or as a x-shot.
    Alright... How about now .. I did like you said ..
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    Damnit Eric, now everyone's forgotten I asked for advice

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    You should have named it MK's Setup Advice Thread :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Damnit Eric, now everyone's forgotten I asked for advice
    I recommend going for broke. Everyone has 1 kill, 1 investigate with a 50/50 chance of failing, and one save.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valynor View Post
    I recommend going for broke. Everyone has 1 kill, 1 investigate with a 50/50 chance of failing, and one save.
    Then that's just a regular round of mafia... I want it to be interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valynor View Post
    I recommend going for broke. Everyone has 1 kill, 1 investigate with a 50/50 chance of failing, and one save.
    That doesn't work: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?..._Justice_Mafia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    That's neither the same thing I proposed, nor is it a game meant for fun but done by the mafiascum people.

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    Can I add a Sniper role to town ...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Rasputin View Post
    Can I add a Sniper role to town ...?
    Night 2 in Eric's round:


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    MK, Conundrum and Gotmilk hosted a number of 1-shot mafia games under Pro Mafia headings. You should be able to get a decent idea from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonothan Crane
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Night 2 in Eric's round:

    ROFL !!! Well lets see if I can tone down the kills lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    MK, Conundrum and Gotmilk
    Not sure if this is addressed to me or if I'm part of the list

    Edit: The main question I have is how many players there should be for there to be 3 mafia.
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    Addressed to you. Sorry for confusion.
    I tend to have enough to last to night 3-4 if no mafia are lynched.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    Edit: The main question I have is how many players there should be for there to be 3 mafia.
    At least 12. I recommend 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    At least 12. I recommend 13.
    Wrong. At least 3 players needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valynor View Post
    Wrong. At least 3 players needed.
    You don't even need that if you make the host mafia as well.

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    I had some ideas:

    • Approval voting: Players can vote for as many players as they want.
    • Probability Mafia: All players can use any role, but with different probabilities of it working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mouse-Keyboard View Post
    I had some ideas:

    • Approval voting: Players can vote for as many players as they want.
    • Probability Mafia: All players can use any role, but with different probabilities of it working.
    The stress on the host will be too great. What if more than 3 or 4 players try to use the same role?
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