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    I tried Homer's Iliad, but I couldn't get through the first three pages.
    Translated work doesn't sit well with me for masterpieces like this, but I'm not adept enough in English to read the original.
    So I gave up. Don't know if I'll ever read it in Dutch, though.

    I'll stick to Stephen King, J.R.R. Tolkien, Weis & Hickmann, and Dan Simmons if I want to read books written in English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muchacho NL View Post
    I tried Homer's Iliad, but I couldn't get through the first three pages.
    Translated work doesn't sit well with me for masterpieces like this, but I'm not adept enough in English to read the original.
    So I gave up. Don't know if I'll ever read it in Dutch, though.

    I'll stick to Stephen King, J.R.R. Tolkien, Weis & Hickmann, and Dan Simmons if I want to read books written in English.
    The original is actually in ancient Greek, so a translation directly from Greek into Dutch would probably be a much better reading experience for a native Dutch speaker. Translations into English often try to capture some of the poetics and style of the original, which means it is a highly mannered English, and thus harder for a non-native speaker of English to read.

    I mean, look at two modern transactions of the opening lines into English verse:

    Anger be now your song, immortal one,
    Akhilleus’ anger, doomed and ruinous,
    that caused the Akhaians loss on bitter loss
    and crowded brave souls into the undergloom,
    leaving so many dead men — carrion
    for dogs and birds; and the will of Zeus was done.
    (Tr. Robert Fizgerald)



    Rage — Goddess, sing the rage of Peleus’ son Achilles,
    murderous, doomed, that cost the Achaeans countless losses,
    hurling down to the House of Death so many sturdy souls,
    great fighters’ souls, but made their bodies carrion,
    feasts for the dogs and birds,
    and the will of Zeus was moving toward its end.
    (Tr. Robert ***les)

    Edit: stupid filter. The name of the translator of the second example is spelled F,a,g,l,e,s - and if anyone wants to punish me for "evading" the filter in order to properly credit someone's work, go ahead.
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    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
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    I see your point, I think I've read the first one (it was such a long time ago) as the second is a bit better to understand for me.
    Dante's Inferno is also a dread to read in English, even though I got further with that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muchacho NL View Post
    I see your point, I think I've read the first one (it was such a long time ago) as the second is a bit better to understand for me.
    Dante's Inferno is also a dread to read in English, even though I got further with that one.
    Dantes inferno is a headache for native English speakers too!
    I'm glad I'm not judgemental like all you smug, superficial idiots

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    It's not easy in Italian either, just FYI
    "The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice... It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: we are one. No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the world. No matter the star. We are one. No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear. We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognise this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another. Because, each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one." ~G'kar

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    I'm reading Dante's Inferno now. It's so hard to read lol
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    More reports from the Hugo Nominations reading frenzy.

    I've just begun reading Yoon Ha Lee's Ninefox Gambit, and I'm so far completely blown away. Lee does the most amazing things in creating a universe in which mathematics is the underpinning of technology and religion, where the way that time is perceived - the calendars on which the various factions operate - affect how all these things interact. It's hard to describe, because it is a way of viewing the essential nature of the universe that is not at all how we tend to see it.

    I was prepared somewhat for this, because Lee has done similar things in his short stories, but this is a quite alien worldview, and so far a very well written debut novel.

    Anyway, if you are looking for a novel that presents an alien way of thinking as so totally natural that you're pages in before you go "waaaait a minute, what did that really mean?" - check out Ninefox Gambit.
    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
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    Please forgive the double post, but....

    Has anyone read any good books lately? I've got my Hugo nominations in and now I'm looking for something a little bit different.
    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
    - The Ballad of Sacco and Vanzetti, Joan Baez

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    So... I like to read. I read fantasy stuff mostly. Mostly, not all.

    Right now I am rereading Soldier Dogs by Maria Goodavage since it is a shorter book and haven't read it in a while. I am waiting for the next Brandon Sanderson book to release so need something. Could always just restar the Wheel of Time series since I never finished it after Brandon Sanderson took it over. I heard that he was taking over the series after Robert Jordan passed away, looked into him, bought the Mistborn trilogy and have barely read a book since that was not his (Brandons). :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelsier View Post
    So... I like to read. I read fantasy stuff mostly. Mostly, not all.

    Right now I am rereading Soldier Dogs by Maria Goodavage since it is a shorter book and haven't read it in a while. I am waiting for the next Brandon Sanderson book to release so need something. Could always just restar the Wheel of Time series since I never finished it after Brandon Sanderson took it over. I heard that he was taking over the series after Robert Jordan passed away, looked into him, bought the Mistborn trilogy and have barely read a book since that was not his (Brandons). :P
    I hadn't read anything by Sanderson until last year, when his novella Perfect State was nominated for the Hugos (major SFF book awards, fan-nominated and voted). I quite enjoyed it but haven't gotten around to reading anything else if his yet.

    Bearing in mind that I tend to prefer books with, if not a female protagonist, at least some women who play prominent roles in the plot beyond being somebody's love interest, what book or books of his would you recommend I start with?
    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meherrin View Post
    I hadn't read anything by Sanderson until last year, when his novella Perfect State was nominated for the Hugos (major SFF book awards, fan-nominated and voted). I quite enjoyed it but haven't gotten around to reading anything else if his yet.

    Bearing in mind that I tend to prefer books with, if not a female protagonist, at least some women who play prominent roles in the plot beyond being somebody's love interest, what book or books of his would you recommend I start with?
    Mistborn, Elantris, and/or Warbreaker.

    Kelsier is my internet Sanderson buddy . By which I mean his username is my favorite character from Mistborn.

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    The full text of Warbreaker should be available online, I think.
    "The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice... It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: we are one. No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the world. No matter the star. We are one. No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear. We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognise this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another. Because, each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one." ~G'kar

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    Mistborn, Elantris, and/or Warbreaker.

    Kelsier is my internet Sanderson buddy . By which I mean his username is my favorite character from Mistborn.

    EDIT:
    The full text of Warbreaker should be available online, I think.
    Spoil me just a little - give me a bit of a blurb about each book, and I'll pick the one that sounds the most interesting.
    And now I'll tell you what's against us, an art that's lived for centuries. Go through the years and you will find what's blackened all of history. Against us is the law with its immensity of strength and power - against us is the law! Police know how to make a man a guilty or an innocent. Against us is the power of police! The shameless lies that men have told will ever more be paid in gold - against us is the power of the gold! Against us is racial hatred and the simple fact that we are poor.
    - The Ballad of Sacco and Vanzetti, Joan Baez

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    Mistborn is a trilogy where Brandon Sanderson sets it up something like this:
    "You know how all those fantasy books have this great evil force and the good hero and there's this conflict and the good guys win, yay? What if you had a world like that but the bad guy won, and this happened a really long time ago, so the world has just lived under the rule of the bad guys for a while. Let's put a ragtag band of street thieves in this world and watch what they do -- maybe they'll produce a true hero."

    Elantris was the book Sanderson wrote that put him on the scene. It was his debut into awesomeness. I read it much longer ago, but I'll do my best.
    "There's this spiritual thing that happens to some people where they gain these magic powers and are sent to this city called Elantris where they meet all these other people with the same magical powers. But something has gone wrong, and instead of being granted magic, people who are affected are cursed. They are still sent to Elantris, but it has become a prison. Also, there's a background of religious war between the people who rely on that magic and some other religion but Burn doesn't remember exactly how that fit in here. Anyway, some people get this curse and are sent into the city and lots of things happen from there."

    Wabreaker
    "There are two cultures: one likes colors and the other is austere. (In fact, I think they worship the God of Austerity or something.) There was once war between them but now there is peace, is I think how it goes, but it requires this girl to be sent from the austere side to the color side, perhaps to marry the prince? I don't recall why. Anyway, you follow her exploits and some plots thicken and stuff happens."

    I apologize for Elantris and Warbreaker -- it's been a while since I read them. Perhaps I should reread. They're all sitting on my shelf .
    "The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice... It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: we are one. No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the world. No matter the star. We are one. No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear. We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognise this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another. Because, each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one." ~G'kar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelsier View Post
    So... I like to read. I read fantasy stuff mostly. Mostly, not all.

    Right now I am rereading Soldier Dogs by Maria Goodavage since it is a shorter book and haven't read it in a while. I am waiting for the next Brandon Sanderson book to release so need something. Could always just restar the Wheel of Time series since I never finished it after Brandon Sanderson took it over. I heard that he was taking over the series after Robert Jordan passed away, looked into him, bought the Mistborn trilogy and have barely read a book since that was not his (Brandons). :P
    Sanderson did a wonderful job of finishing The Wheel of Time, but if you like drinking games, take a shot every time he uses the word 'tempest.'
    I'm a huge, huge fan of Sanderon's tho.


    Quote Originally Posted by Meherrin View Post
    I hadn't read anything by Sanderson until last year, when his novella Perfect State was nominated for the Hugos (major SFF book awards, fan-nominated and voted). I quite enjoyed it but haven't gotten around to reading anything else if his yet.

    Bearing in mind that I tend to prefer books with, if not a female protagonist, at least some women who play prominent roles in the plot beyond being somebody's love interest, what book or books of his would you recommend I start with?
    Every story I've read of Sanderson's so far has included powerful, intelligent lead female characters - even if they aren't the main protagonist. The Mistborn trilogy has a female lead and is the first work of his own that I read after reading his finishing of TWoT. The story starts out with some very familiar tropes, but he has away of spinning everything you expect around and surprising you.
    One of the more interesting things about his books is that for each world, he creates a different type of 'magic' with it's own set of rules and abilities. Detailed down to the minutia with boundaries to be stretched and/or bent.
    He is also working on the mega-series that all fantasy authors dream of, but you may want to avoid that until it's actually done. Book 3 comes out this year (squee!!!!)
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    I'm just rereading Way of Kings in anticipation of that release, Dan. I can't wait.
    "The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice... It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: we are one. No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the world. No matter the star. We are one. No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear. We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognise this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another. Because, each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one." ~G'kar

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    Just finished Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman. Wonderful book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    I'm just rereading Way of Kings in anticipation of that release, Dan. I can't wait.
    Way of Kings is my favorite of his. I've re-read it so many times.

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    Mine too, although Mistborn 1 will always hold a place in my heart, as Kelsier is my favorite fictional character in any book, full stop.

    But yeah, I shed several tears while reading Way of Kings. Very few books still do that for me.
    "The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice... It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: we are one. No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the world. No matter the star. We are one. No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear. We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognise this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another. Because, each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one." ~G'kar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Chak View Post
    One of the more interesting things about his books is that for each world, he creates a different type of 'magic' with it's own set of rules and abilities. Detailed down to the minutia with boundaries to be stretched and/or bent.
    He is also working on the mega-series that all fantasy authors dream of, but you may want to avoid that until it's actually done. Book 3 comes out this year (squee!!!!)
    His magic systems were the first thing that drew me into his books. Incredibly imaginative stuff and very detailed.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    I'm just rereading Way of Kings in anticipation of that release, Dan. I can't wait.
    I might just reread the first 2 books in the series to prepare for the third. I have a very bad memory, that is why I skipped over explaining each book and story line, but love to read. :P

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    Mine too, although Mistborn 1 will always hold a place in my heart, as Kelsier is my favorite fictional character in any book, full stop.

    But yeah, I shed several tears while reading Way of Kings. Very few books still do that for me.
    Kelsier 4 lyf yo! Read Arcanum Unbounded, very good "short" story about him in there. I say "short" cause I think it was 80+ pages. Can't tell you cause I let me brother borrow it last time I was in FL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meherrin View Post
    I hadn't read anything by Sanderson until last year, when his novella Perfect State was nominated for the Hugos (major SFF book awards, fan-nominated and voted). I quite enjoyed it but haven't gotten around to reading anything else if his yet.

    Bearing in mind that I tend to prefer books with, if not a female protagonist, at least some women who play prominent roles in the plot beyond being somebody's love interest, what book or books of his would you recommend I start with?
    The Emperor's Soul!! It's a standalone novella Sanderson wrote, which Goodreads claims is in the Elantris universe (but is very, very loosely connected). Honestly it's my favorite among his works because at a certain point in many of his longer works he tends to get kind of preachy in conveying the critical "revelation" that marks a turning point. Halfway through the third Mistborn book, I reread his biography, saw that he is a practicing Mormon, and thought, "So many things suddenly make sense now."
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    Ok, with multiple suggestions on offer, I have decided that The Emperor's Soul and Mistborn it will be. Give the man two shots from two different worlds at entrancing me.


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    I only recently heard about this. Slipped in under my radar, so to speak. Have been meaning to acquire it, I've liked everything of Gaiman's that I've read so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creep-er View Post
    The Emperor's Soul!! It's a standalone novella Sanderson wrote, which Goodreads claims is in the Elantris universe (but is very, very loosely connected). Honestly it's my favorite among his works because at a certain point in many of his longer works he tends to get kind of preachy in conveying the critical "revelation" that marks a turning point. Halfway through the third Mistborn book, I reread his biography, saw that he is a practicing Mormon, and thought, "So many things suddenly make sense now."
    I never thought of the 'revelation' moments as preachy, really, but now that you've mentioned it, I have thought back on every major book I've read from hundreds of authors and they pretty much ALL have that preachy revelation thingy going on. Robert Heinlein got into writing science fiction so that he could get his politics across. Stephen King has done the good vs. evil in many of his larger books, with the preachy revelation being the spin.
    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Chak View Post
    I never thought of the 'revelation' moments as preachy, really, but now that you've mentioned it, I have thought back on every major book I've read from hundreds of authors and they pretty much ALL have that preachy revelation thingy going on. Robert Heinlein got into writing science fiction so that he could get his politics across. Stephen King has done the good vs. evil in many of his larger books, with the preachy revelation being the spin.
    Interesting.
    Preachy is fine to me, but only if it's dressed up in a costume that fits the story's setting and pace. I don't want to insert Mistborn spoilers, but Sazed's revelation did NOT sit well with me. In fact, once he made it, I felt as though Sanderson had set up Sazed's entire character for that one "final message" of the original trilogy. I can only forgive that sort of strategem in Young Adult novels.
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    I feel the reverse about these -- Emperor's Soul didn't seem plausible to me, but Sazed did.

    That's my usual criteria; you get to insert some message if it is *believable* in context. I believed Sazed as a real character.
    "The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice... It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, and the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: we are one. No matter the blood. No matter the skin. No matter the world. No matter the star. We are one. No matter the pain. No matter the darkness. No matter the loss. No matter the fear. We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause, we agree to recognise this singular truth and this singular rule: that we must be kind to one another. Because, each voice enriches us and ennobles us and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one." ~G'kar

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Burninator View Post
    I feel the reverse about these -- Emperor's Soul didn't seem plausible to me, but Sazed did.

    That's my usual criteria; you get to insert some message if it is *believable* in context. I believed Sazed as a real character.
    Oh, I did find Sazed's change of heart believable. The passages following that felt like a heavy handed attempt to open up the reader's mind to that same revelation.

    Messages CAN be conveyed without being preached, and I feel that Sanderson didn't quite make it past that line. Instead of being handed a conclusion, I'd rather be allowed my own takeaways, independent from whatever changes or revelations that the characters experience. Especially in a fantasy novel. Maybe it's just my pet peeve or interpretation of that part of the book.
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    I am just glad there are more Brandon Sanderson "fans" then I realized.

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